Dorsey Nunn, Executive Director of Legal Services for Prisoners with Children and member of All of Us or None, has been visiting inmates in the California prison system for over 50 years in both professional and personal capacities. Nunn speaks about the experience of PJ, a friend who has been in solitary confinement for over two decades at Pelican Bay State Prison and questions the practices of long-term solitary confinement and gang validation.
A Word Document of this testimony can be downloaded here: https://solitarywatch.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/dorsey-nunn-testimony.doc
Statement of Dorsey Nunn at Hearing of California Assembly Public Safety Committee, August 23, 2011.
My name is Dorsey Nunn and I am the Executive Director of Legal Services for Prisoners with Children, we are a public interest law office. I am also a proud member of All of Us or None that is a project of LSPC. All of Us or None is dedicated to the full restoration of the civil and human rights of incarcerated and formerly incarcerated people. I have been visiting people within the California Department of Corrections for approximately 51 years, 22 years as personal visits and 29 years professionally as a paralegal.
My office had been contacted consistently since the opening of Pelican Bay where prisoners’ human rights were being violated. On June 28, 2011, with a hunger strike looming I decided to visit Pelican Bay for the first time. It was too hard to ignore people clearly stating that they were willing to risk their lives to change how they were being treated. I interviewed people with standard questions assessing their medical history, emergency contact information and the potential depth of the strike efforts.
There must be line if crossed where punishment becomes torture. It may not be torture to isolate human beings for a few days, a few weeks, a few months but it could be something totally different to isolate them a few years or a few decades. One of the people that I visited was PJ. I knew him when I was a fellow prisoner. When I asked PJ how long he had been in segregation he informed me that they put him Administrative Segregation in 1988. Often when I visit someone who knows me they ask me to work on their individual case. PJ didn’t, we spent time talking about torture. He knew about Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo Bay. He couldn’t understand what would make something torture at Guantanamo Bay and not at Pelican Bay.
The first thing that struck me when PJ entered that the non-contact legal visiting area was that he lost his color; he was much lighter than I remembered him. Over the course of that day I learned about the lack of direct sunlight and where people went to exercise was referred as to as the dog run. When they were in the dog run they were unable to experience what is considered the outdoors, no trees, no grass and natural sunlight having to squeeze itself over a very high wall. A blessing was to actually see the sun and the clouds. On a rainy a blessing was not to not get wet because of the lack of real weather garb to protect you against inclement weather. When I was talking to PJ I kept thinking if White people could really tell when Black people experienced a color change. Do we always appear to be tan to them?
Two people told me on that day they missed talking to Black People. I couldn’t help but to imagine what it meant to be annihilated culturally and isolated to point where a person found it refreshing to talk to someone from the same race in America. One of the guys I visited complaint that he only spoke to one other Black person legally in twenty years. The other times he made the attempt he was given a disciplinary report. What did this mean to their re-entry when your only contact with other human beings were acts of hostility…not be touched or to only be touched suspiciously. What did it mean to communities of color to absorb large number of people who have had this experience.
The reason why I have elected to talk about this particular visit was because PJ was locked up most of this time because of association and the fact that he would not name names. If this particular visit has any real meaning to this hearing you would have to consider the following things:
Can justice be had absent an admission of wrong-doing? It is my belief that people have been tortured for multiple years.
Can a system be fair or just if it is based on the use of confidential information extracted through questionable means?
Should people have the fundamental right to confront their accusers?
Has this practice of placing people in Administrative Segregation based on flimsy information secured through the use of questionable methods, unfairly deprived people of their right to be reasonably considered for parole? PJ has been eligible for parole for 35 years. How much programming and rehabilitation time has been lost?
The last thing that I want to say is PJ my friend and I didn’t mention it earlier because I didn’t want to be labeled a gang member and subject my organization to the suspicion of the California Department of Correction based on association. Such a label enables the state not be held accountable for their acts of violence.